{"id":25429,"date":"2025-10-23T14:17:00","date_gmt":"2025-10-23T21:17:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/nwac.us\/?p=25429"},"modified":"2025-10-23T14:19:44","modified_gmt":"2025-10-23T21:19:44","slug":"cool-tropical-pacific-warm-north-pacific-waters-how-will-the-pnw-snowpack-respond","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/nwac.us\/2025\/10\/23\/cool-tropical-pacific-warm-north-pacific-waters-how-will-the-pnw-snowpack-respond\/","title":{"rendered":"Cool Tropical Pacific &amp; Warm North Pacific Waters: How will the PNW snowpack respond?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>In the <strong>winter of 2024\u201325<\/strong>, we learned firsthand that a <strong>weak La Ni\u00f1a<\/strong> doesn\u2019t necessarily deliver the cool and wet conditions that fuel the deep, mid-winter snowpacks we all hope for.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Before diving into this year\u2019s outlook\u2014how it compares, and what other predictors might carry weight\u2014let\u2019s revisit the <strong>El Ni\u00f1o\u2013Southern Oscillation (ENSO)<\/strong>, the cyclical fluctuation in tropical Pacific sea surface temperatures that shapes global weather patterns. ENSO cycles through three distinct phases: <strong>El Ni\u00f1o (warm)<\/strong>, <strong>La Ni\u00f1a (cool)<\/strong>, and <strong>Neutral<\/strong> conditions. So how do the <strong>October forecasts<\/strong> for mid-winter ENSO probabilities compare between this upcoming cool season and the most recent one? The distributions are strikingly similar, with <strong>only a subtle weakening of the La Ni\u00f1a signal for 2025\u201326<\/strong>. Both forecasts suggest the highest odds for cool-phase conditions during autumn and early winter.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"496\" src=\"https:\/\/files.nwac.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/23141503\/Figure3_djf_enso_probabilities_comparison-1024x496.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-25430\" srcset=\"https:\/\/files.nwac.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/23141503\/Figure3_djf_enso_probabilities_comparison-1024x496.png 1024w, https:\/\/files.nwac.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/23141503\/Figure3_djf_enso_probabilities_comparison-300x145.png 300w, https:\/\/files.nwac.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/23141503\/Figure3_djf_enso_probabilities_comparison-768x372.png 768w, https:\/\/files.nwac.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/23141503\/Figure3_djf_enso_probabilities_comparison-1536x744.png 1536w, https:\/\/files.nwac.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/23141503\/Figure3_djf_enso_probabilities_comparison-2048x992.png 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>Figure 1. DJF ENSO phase probability forecast for October 2025 compared to October 2024<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The <strong>Oceanic Ni\u00f1o Index (ONI)<\/strong> is based on <strong>sea surface temperature (SST) <\/strong>departures from average in the Ni\u00f1o 3.4 region, and is a principal measure for monitoring, assessing, and predicting ENSO. In the 2024-25 season, the <strong>December-January-February (DJF)<\/strong> ONI registered -0.6\u00b0C, barely nudging into weak La Ni\u00f1a territory. Moving to the present, the latest weekly SST departure of -0.6\u00b0C suggests that we\u2019re once again on the cusp of a weak La Ni\u00f1a. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov\/products\/analysis_monitoring\/lanina\/enso_evolution-status-fcsts-web.pdf\">The mid-October Oceanic SST models<\/a> suggest a November minimum ONI of around -0.8\u00b0C with values decreasing to approximately -0.3\u00b0C by midwinter (DJF). <strong>This makes neutral ENSO conditions the most likely outcome for our mid-winter snowpacks.&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>With that context in mind, we can explore how<strong> <\/strong>Pacific Northwest mountain snowpack typically responds to ENSO phase strength using our updated <strong>Snowpack Climatology Dataset<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"293\" src=\"https:\/\/files.nwac.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/23141528\/Figure2_Percentage_From_Normal-1024x293.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-25431\" srcset=\"https:\/\/files.nwac.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/23141528\/Figure2_Percentage_From_Normal-1024x293.png 1024w, https:\/\/files.nwac.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/23141528\/Figure2_Percentage_From_Normal-300x86.png 300w, https:\/\/files.nwac.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/23141528\/Figure2_Percentage_From_Normal-768x219.png 768w, https:\/\/files.nwac.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/23141528\/Figure2_Percentage_From_Normal-1536x439.png 1536w, https:\/\/files.nwac.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/23141528\/Figure2_Percentage_From_Normal.png 1568w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>Figure 2. Average percentage of normal peak snow depth by ENSO phase across six representative Cascade weather stations<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>In<strong> weak La Ni\u00f1a<\/strong> winters, most stations hover near average snowpack levels, with only Mission Ridge and Timberline showing modest gains. It\u2019s the <strong>moderate and strong La Ni\u00f1a years<\/strong> that clearly favor the west slopes and crest of the Cascades, producing peak snow depths 6-24% above normal. <strong>Neutral years<\/strong> typically yield slightly below-average snowpack across the region, while most <strong>El Ni\u00f1o<\/strong> conditions tilt the odds strongly toward reduced snowfall.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The long tails of the DJF distribution of forecast ENSO probabilities for the upcoming winter\u2014<strong>18% chance of moderate\/strong La Ni\u00f1a and 2% chance of El Ni\u00f1o<\/strong>\u2014yield the highest influence on the mean. To evaluate the most likely outcomes, we specifically examine the average of the four sites with the longest and most robust data records (Mt Baker, Stevens Pass, Snoqualmie Pass, and Paradise).&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"590\" src=\"https:\/\/files.nwac.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/23141550\/Figure3_ENSO_Average_Snow_Depth-1024x590.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-25432\" srcset=\"https:\/\/files.nwac.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/23141550\/Figure3_ENSO_Average_Snow_Depth-1024x590.png 1024w, https:\/\/files.nwac.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/23141550\/Figure3_ENSO_Average_Snow_Depth-300x173.png 300w, https:\/\/files.nwac.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/23141550\/Figure3_ENSO_Average_Snow_Depth-768x442.png 768w, https:\/\/files.nwac.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/23141550\/Figure3_ENSO_Average_Snow_Depth-1536x884.png 1536w, https:\/\/files.nwac.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/23141550\/Figure3_ENSO_Average_Snow_Depth.png 1714w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>Figure 3. Distribution of ENSO phase strength and corresponding snowpack response. Yellow shading highlights 2025-26 likely ENSO phase.<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The 2024-25 season average peak snow depth of 114\u201d was around the 19th percentile for data within the -1 to 0\u00b0C ENSO Index interval and was 24% below the regression trendline. The snowpack was reduced at lower elevation stations, most notably due to warmth. Longer-term climate trends may influence the analysis, so we can reduce their impact to some extent by viewing the above plot <a href=\"https:\/\/drive.google.com\/file\/d\/1wQNl1mVLwT29JFa0jILK2WsHGGglEtwY\/view?usp=sharing\">with only 21st-century data included<\/a>. The shortened dataset lowers the mean snow depth x-y% across all ENSO phases.&nbsp; Even with this truncated dataset, <strong>the ENSO forecast predicts an almost perfectly \u201caverage\u201d winter.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Linear best-fit trendlines explain 11% and 19% of the data variability for the ENSO vs Snowpack plots, including and excluding 20th-century data, respectively. Either way, over 80% of the season-to-season variability is <em>not<\/em> explained by ENSO.&nbsp;Various publications made headlines about a marine heatwave in September of this year, so it\u2019s worth analyzing a time-series video comparing <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/DGt7edU3iLw\"><strong>SSTs from September and October 2025 against 2024 and 2014<\/strong><\/a>. All three of these seasons had mostly positive anomalies. Slightly positive anomalies have become the norm as the long-term climate shifts faster than the 30-year average, but the deeper colors in the data deserve attention. Although a very weak El Ni\u00f1o, the 2014-15 season was marked by anomalously warm SSTs just off our coast, which scientists partially blame for this anomalously poor snow year. Our 4-station average snowpack reading languished at less than 50% of the 2024-25 season values. Although September 2025 began with very warm SSTs across the NE Pacific, these waters have cooled significantly, and our proximal waters are approaching normal.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"885\" src=\"https:\/\/files.nwac.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/23141627\/Figure4_west_coast_marine_40_50_corrected-1024x885.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-25433\" srcset=\"https:\/\/files.nwac.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/23141627\/Figure4_west_coast_marine_40_50_corrected-1024x885.png 1024w, https:\/\/files.nwac.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/23141627\/Figure4_west_coast_marine_40_50_corrected-300x259.png 300w, https:\/\/files.nwac.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/23141627\/Figure4_west_coast_marine_40_50_corrected-768x664.png 768w, https:\/\/files.nwac.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/23141627\/Figure4_west_coast_marine_40_50_corrected-1536x1327.png 1536w, https:\/\/files.nwac.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/23141627\/Figure4_west_coast_marine_40_50_corrected-2048x1769.png 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>Figure 4. Combined ENSO and nearshore SST regression model explaining snowpack variability<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>When we combine our proximal West Coast Marine waters (aka \u201cThe Blob\u201d) with ENSO phase, we can explain 25% of the snowpack inter-seasonal variability. It will be worth watching the potential for an eastward spread of extraordinarily warm waters in the western North Pacific.&nbsp; As long as these extraordinarily warm waters remain west of Hawaii, we are locked into the negative phase of the <strong>Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO)<\/strong>, which <a href=\"https:\/\/climate.uw.edu\/2025\/10\/07\/9674\/?mkt_tok=MTMxLUFRTy0yMjUAAAGdaLar3MXWXHI2HVOx-GIMTjmfmIPP80matgdArXoQlGSrhaIHFgDpTDTj98FYdqudlxF1b3rXS_Z9v_Cws70l0LUNlYGPpHLRfIztFVnDqzVV3mdv\"><strong>the State Climate Office notes correlates with cooler, snowier periods<\/strong><\/a>. A similar analysis of PDO vs ENSO phase explains 20% of the snowpack variance.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>We don\u2019t have any magic goggles for this impending ephemeral La Ni\u00f1a or neutral winter. At best, we can explain about 25% of the variability in our 75-year dataset using ENSO and regional Sea Surface Temperatures. An impending weak La Ni\u00f1a is likely to fade into neutral conditions by mid-winter, portending a fairly typical Pacific Northwest snowpack in our region. A moderate or strong La Ni\u00f1a remains a low probability, but if it occurs, would tilt the dice in favor of deeper snowpacks. Regional sea surface temperatures have cooled to near-normal levels, but surrounding warm waters may limit the potential for further cooling. So, we&#8217;ll all be rooting for sustained upwelling off South America and North America, continued cool-phase PDO conditions, and happy sardines and salmon.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>__________<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Disclaimers:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>The datasets are not fully quality-controlled.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The impact of long-term climatic changes has not been fully incorporated into this study.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In the winter of 2024\u201325, we learned firsthand that a weak La Ni\u00f1a doesn\u2019t necessarily deliver the cool and wet conditions that fuel the deep, mid-winter snowpacks we all hope for.&nbsp; Before diving into this year\u2019s outlook\u2014how it compares, and what other predictors might carry weight\u2014let\u2019s revisit the El Ni\u00f1o\u2013Southern Oscillation (ENSO), the cyclical fluctuation [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":86,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-25429","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.3 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Cool Tropical Pacific &amp; Warm North Pacific Waters: How will the PNW snowpack respond? 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